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Today Mark is talking to Mike Hayes—former Commander of SEAL Team TWO. Mike had a 20-year military career, was a White House Fellow for both the Bush and Obama administrations, and is currently working as the Chief Digital Transformation Officer at VMware. He is also a speaker on leadership and author of the book Never Enough: A Navy SEAL Commander on Living a Life of Excellence, Agility, and Meaning. He and Mark talk about the leadership principles that he has learned from years in government, the private sector, and the military.

Hear how:

• You must not be afraid to aim high and miss—be afraid to aim low and hit
• In decision-making, the first decision is not the decision—it’s when to make your decision
• It’s necessary to have diversity in the decision-making process—it’s better when we hear opinions/experiences different from our own

Listen to today’s episode to hear leadership insights from very different contexts.