Empty promises or impressive ambition? Michael Brennan and Aidan Regan join Nadine O'Regan to discuss the programme for government, plus author Debra MacKenzie on her Covid-19 book. 

Too ambitious? That's a phrase that's being bandied about a lot, as the Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Green Party programme for government is unveiled, paving the way towards a historic coalition. Michael Brennan, political editor with the Business Post, and Aidan Regan, UCD associate professor and Business Post columnist, join Nadine O'Regan to discuss the programme, while later in the podcast author Debra MacKenzie discusses her new book Covid-19: the Pandemic that Never Should Have Happened and How to Stop the Next One.     

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