798 - COVID, Innovation, and Optimism with Matt Ridley

In Episode 796, we had Alina Chan on to talk about The Origin of Covid-19, and the new book that she co-authored, Viral: The Search for the Origin of COVID-19
And in this episode, we have the other co-author of the book, Matt Ridley on to talk more about the purpose, and journey of writing the book. 

Should we still be optimistic about the pandemic, and will anything good come out of it? Also, why is it so hard for anyone to look for the origin of the virus?

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