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Conversation starts @ 3:05 – In this episode we discuss the debates surrounding a Geocentric vs. Heliocentric universe, how it relates to the traditional Catholic Church teaching, and more specifically the themes of the movie The Principle, of which Dr. Sungenis played a leading role in its creation and production.  In our first segment we go into the ‘Founding Fathers’ – so to speak – of the modern Heliocentric model and ask if they were simply men with no religious or spiritual ideologies attached to their motivations, who were innocently questioning the status quo claims of the Catholic Church?  Or, perhaps, could they have had underlying agendas and partialities that are often downplayed or outright ignored by modern science and its promoters?  We go from Coperniucs, to Galileo to Bruno; all leading up to the controversies regarding Tycho Brahe and Johannes Kepler, and Tychonian model of the universe; then onward to Isaac Newton and much more in the first hour of discussion. Part 2 for Members:  We dig deeper into the developments and discoveries relating to this epic battle of cosmologies, and how they played out during the 19th century into the early 20th century.  Somewhere along the way the Church stops taking an active interest in these discussions – perhaps due to a massive outbreak of Masonic revolutions tearing up Catholic countries and territories – and it becomes more of a battle between the scientists themselves.  We discuss Mach, the Michaelson-Morley experiment, the Big Bang Theory, Relativity, and everything else including: Darwin, Dark Matter/Energy, Black Holes and Multi-Verse theories. Rent/Buy the movie The Principle here: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/theprinciple To make an individual purchase of part 2: https://schism206.podbean.com/e/p2bp-episode-27-guest-dr-robert-sungenis-part-2-paid To gain yearly access to all podcast content: https://www.rockstaresoterica.com/plans-pricing-1 Robert’s Bio: Robert is an international author, lecturer, debater, producer, and founder of Catholic Apologetics International Publishing, Inc., a non-profit corporation dedicated to teaching and defending the Catholic faith.  He holds advanced degrees in Theology and Religious Studies, from George Washington University; Westminster Theological Seminary; and Calamus International University.   Robert’s Links: The Principle Website: https://www.theprinciplemovie.com Robert’s Website: https://www.robertsungenis.org Galileo Was Wrong: http://galileowaswrong.com Journey to the Center of the Universe: https://gwwdvd.com