145. Lessons Learned From Winning by Design w/ Jacco van der Kooij

This week on the show, we've got Jacco van der Kooij, the founder of Winning By Design and a thought leader in the SaaS and startup spaces. He's also a very funny and entertaining person. I think you're really going to like this episode because Jacco acts a little ... ridiculous, but in an endearing way. He's enthusiastic and passionate. When he explains what he's doing at the end, it makes a tremendous amount of sense, and you can see that it's actually strategic. It's a lot of fun, perhaps the most fun I've ever had in an interview ... perhaps. 

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