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This episode finds Jessica talking with her good friend Jen Hatmaker. Jen is a speaker and author, whose latest book “Of Mess a Moxie,” debuted at #2 on the New York Times Bestseller List. Jessica and Jen both have platforms where they encourage women to live out their dreams and lift each other up in the process. They discuss why it is so vital that we cheer each other on and how there’s plenty of space for us all to succeed. They also discuss the courage it takes to live outside your own “echo chambers,” and that taking the first steps toward your purpose may be hard, but “they are the ones that will lead you all the way home.”