# 33 — Kristen Ulmer
Mark and Michael speak with Kristen Ulmer. For more than a decade she was considered the best female extreme skier in the world who also survived her participation in paragliding, ice and rock climbing, kiteboarding, and adventure mountain biking—she rode across India in 1991. After retiring from — or at least dialing back her commitment to — extreme sport she spent 15 years studying Zen, teaching the mindset of optimal sports performance, flow states, embracing change, and emotional intelligence, often using skiing as the means. She is the author of “The Art of Fear: Why Conquering Fear Won’t Work and What to Do Instead” and still pushing at the edge of her own potential.
