# 34 - Azfar & Fatima Ali
Azfar Ali is part of the old guard of content creators. He is also one of the pioneers of contemporary radio as it is understood in Pakistan today. Him, his daughter, Fatima and I speak on the position of all-audio media as the 'mother of all content,' about empowering the youth through trust and opportunity, about his recent work with Tabish Hashmi and Nashpati prime, and about his unique philosophy on competition.
