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Build stronger relationships based on mutual leader-follower expectations. Today, GEN(R) Carter Ham, AUSA’s President a CEO, interviews GEN(R) Martin Dempsey about his new book No Time for Spectators, released 12 May 2020, which delves into leader-follower dynamics. In addition to thoughts on leadership in the time of COVID-19 uncertainty, the two discuss important lessons including: disagreement does not equal disloyalty, the value of followers who exhibit responsible rebelliousness, and embracing moments of surprising clarity. GEN(R) Dempsey is a bestselling author and speaker, 18th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and one of TIME's 100 Most Influential Leaders. Recommendations for future topics are welcome via email at podcast@ausa.org. Guest: General (Retired) Martin E. Dempsey, 18th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Author, No Time for Spectators Host: General (Retired) Carter F. Ham, President a Chief Executive Officer, Association of the United States Army Resources: No Time for Spectators by GEN (R) Martin Dempsey Web: https://www.generaldempsey.com/ Twitter: @Martin_Dempsey LinkedIn: @Martin E. Dempsey