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https://amzn.to/2PZ1k5m (The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much Better Garden) I grew up on Long Island, just got back from New York, but IDK if I have ever been there. I talked at a guy Aiden who is a manager at Young’s Farm and Larry Tse who runs a farm for Dig Inn which is also in the Hudson Valley. It is July 11, 2018 and I have a guest who’s books have been recommended a number of times on the show. Tell us a little about yourself. I did not grow up in agriculture a long time ago I was in college and grad school in Chemistry, then i dropped out of grad school in Chemistry and I moved to Vermont for a year to figure out what I was gonna do and I got really into reading about gardening. After a year of not doing much in VT I went to grad school in Ag at the U Wisconsin.  I dove into gardening intensively, I was learning a lot, because I didn’t know anything! I was learning a lot about soil science especially, because that’s what I was in grad school in and after few years I got a degree in horticulture too. Still gardening crazily. access to a good agriculture library so I would read everything I could find besides doing it. I worked for the Soil Conservation Services which is now called the Natural Resource Conservation. Went back to school and got my Doctorate in Horticulture with a specialty in fruit crops. I worked for Cornell for a while, when that job ended I went off on my own lecturing and writing and consulting. The whole time I did garden like a maniac, I still do, it hasn’t lost  it’s appeal. I still love it! One other addition when I moved to NY to work for Cornell so I planted 3/4 acre fruit trees The Farmden field another 2 acres south of my property. A little over 2 acres. Instead of planting 2 of each fruit tree I planted 20 so I could study them more. I renamed it a farmden, more then a garden a little less then a farm! Tell me about your first gardening experience was that in Grad school? When I was very very young we had a house just north of NYC We had a house with a small vegetable garden, it was planted by the swing set. I wasn’t that into the garden, I liked eating from the garden. I remember my father giving me this shovel and said, turn over the soil here. It was taller then me, I remember trying to put the shovel in the ground, it was like a rock, it was a stiff clay soil.  It’s tough when you have that kind of soil, Mike was just telling me the other day don’t dig there, don’t you see all those rocks.  https://amzn.to/2MLEYXe () https://amzn.to/2MLEYXe (Weedless Gardening The Hassle-Free All-Organic System) a bold title the publisher made up, I always say it’s not Weedless, it’s Weed Less gardening, the main theme, that I practiced is  no till My garden soil has not been dug for many years partially studying soil science goes back to trying to shovel in the ground when I was a little kid.  You did all this school, started writing, gardening the whole time, so I guess one big questions I have is that at school you don’t always learn the organic way, and how did you learn the No-Till thing? Not in school, as a matter of fact, it was kind of mentioned disparagingly,  if at all… definitely didn’t each organic sort of learning basic soil science basic soil science isn’t organic or not organic, it’s just basic soil science and can be applied organically or not organically but I used it from the organic perspective Now most of the land grant colleges have come around to noting the benefits of organic guarding learning the basics. I like to learn from books and trying things out in the field. I was trying things out reading a lot and gardening a lot I feel lucky to have that opportunity to have access to all that literature and have a garden.  classroom access to have a classroom could not live anywhere without a garden. I think... Support this podcast