My brain was doing spirals!
jD, Pete, and Tim are back and this week they're discussing the EP Saskadelphia.
Tracks
Montreal - Studio outtake
Ouch - Studio version
Crack my Spine (Like a Whip) - Live from Halifax 1991
Reformed Baptist Blues - Studio version
Transcript
Track 1:
[0:00] If you're a fan of the Tragically Hip, this is your hip fest.
Getting Hip to the Hip, September 1st at The Rec Room.
Celebrate the music of the hip with a live tribute act, the finale of a hip-based podcast, and a silent auction with amazing hip prizes, with all proceeds going to support the Gord Downieand Chani Wenjack Fund.
If you're a fan of the hip, you need to be there. Tickets available now at gettinghiptothehip.com.
Track 2:
[0:28] The first, and to date, only posthumous release by the tragically hip is 2021's marvelous EP, Saskadelphia.
[0:37] Borrowing its title from the original name of Road Apples, this record packs a punch in under 20 minutes of non-stop rock.
Even the chilling theme of the song Montreal moves mountains with its haunting chorus.
I remember downloading Saskadelphia on the mail-on weekend in 2021 and I was immediately transported back to 1991.
[0:59] In some cases, we're even invited into this studio with banter between Gord and someone named Bruce.
It was a total trip hearing these songs from a bygone era with a pair of ears from the 21st century.
In some cases it was familiar, as I own bootlegs of Crack My Spine Like a Whip and Just as Well, but these new versions were bursting at the seams with nuance that only a studiorecording can offer.
I felt nostalgic and sad listening, but by the end I was grinning ear to ear.
This was a fantastic hip experience, and it's one I hope we get to enjoy with the upcoming re-release of Phantom Power, and I'm calling it here first, but I think we see an Up to Here boxset celebrating 35 years sometime in 2024.
But don't quote me on that, unless I'm right of course.
At any rate, I'm nervous about giving this one to Pete and Tim.
Although they both enjoyed Road Apples initially, will they appreciate the significance of this EP?
Will nostalgia be a factor for a pair of people who only first heard the band in November of 2022?
[2:08] What kind of impact will this have? We'll have to wait and see on this episode of Getting Hip to the Hip.
Track 5:
[2:40] All right hey hey it's JD here and we are back again for another uh well let's call it the penultimate episode of getting hip to the hip i'm here as always with my friends Pete and Timto discuss Seminole Canadian rock band The Tragically Hip we're going through every album and we find ourselves at the last album.
An EP as it were, Saskadelphia.
It was released for the May long weekend in 2021 and it's a it's it's a trip back to the road Apple days.
Before we get too deep into that discussion though, how the fuck are you guys doing? Well you know I'm a little a little of a Climbed a little tongue-tied.
I don't know. I told my kid, Sage, this morning, I was like, this is sort of one of the last recordings.
It's about 20 minutes of music.
[3:41] And he was very encouraging on moving on to more pod stuff, because he knows I've totally loved doing this.
But at the same time, I'm like, do we have to do this today, guys? Can we postpone it? Pause right here and do it later.
Because it's like the last bunch of songs, really. The problem is, in a week, you'll be here.
It's true. It's true. You'll be here, and we'll be doing the For Real last episode.
Hope to see you there at Getting Hip to the Hip, an evening for the Donnie Wenjack Fund. Tickets are $40. You can get them on gettinghiptothehip.com.
[4:20] Slash click the ticket button.
Do that. It'll be good. Pete, how are you, man?
I'm good. Um, your cadence threw me off there at the beginning, JD, because when you said I'm here with my good friends, Pete and Tim to discuss, and I thought you were going to,you're going to say two disgusting fucking individuals, but just to discuss.
And then you were like the penultimate record.
So, no, I'm good. Everybody knows that by now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Kidding me with our link or that way.
We fucking two sailors, three sailors here. That's right. With your captain Pete who we've gotten, I think we've gotten, uh, we've gotten a couple of emails from people saying, do you haveto use the F-word so much?
You swear like sailors, ahoy motherfuckers.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm still looking forward to the, to the, uh, to the live event.
I cannot wait. It's going to be so much fun. I'm I just I just hope I hope people are that show up want to that want to just talk about the hip.
And I'm like, I'm wondering what other people say because I only know you guys.
[5:37] Like, I've only I only really well my friend Barb too, but like, like, yeah, I don't talk about the hip, but I'm gonna be surrounded with a shit ton of people who fucking love the hip.
It's going to be cool, man. Has Barb, has Barb confirmed? Barb's not confirmed, but Barb's on the fence.
She's, she's, I think she just, we need to, we need to push Barb over the edge.
How do we do that? We're pushing her right now. Barb, if you're listening.
It's a, it's a love push, Barb. Barb. We're just giving you, we're just giving you a little, little bump you need. You need to be there, Barb.
Careful, one person's love push is another person's incarceration, so you want to be careful with that.
Well, I said bump, I meant like a little tiny, you know.
Was that a Burning Bush reference? Is that a Bible reference?
I missed it, went over my head. I'm out of swords today, gentlemen.
[6:37] Are we gonna tackle this record? Well, let's talk about where you guys listened to this record for the first time.
Where did listen to it, give me the environment, give me the background, give me the details, and then we'll go song by song. For me, no, my car is not a Yugo with the premium audiosound system.
Surely it is not. Surely it is not. They're out of business.
No, I listen to it in the car a lot, listen to it on my computer a lot.
I've been doing a lot of work at the desk and was really surprised with this record, really surprised. kind of.
[7:18] Yeah, I'll save all that, but yeah, listen mainly at the computer and in the car. All right. How about you, Tim? I'm the same. Same exact. Yeah. Sitting down.
Sitting down. And it's a quick one, right? It's like 20 minutes and you're through.
Yeah, 20 minutes. Right. Yeah. It's a tupper.
When they first released it, they called it an album. I'm pretty sure they said it was an album. And a lot of people bitched. A lot of people were like, this isn't an album, it's an EP.
It's six songs. Who called it that? I believe they did centrally, but even on the wiki page now, it's listed as an EP.
So I don't know if it's been officially changed or what, but I'm calling it an EP.
And it's a nice bookend. You get the EP at the beginning and you get the EP at the end, you know, in terms of bookends. Unless there's other music out there.
But this came out after Gord's passing.
This did. Yes. Yeah. 21. Yeah. 2021. People are bitching after the fact. Way to go hit fans.
What a show. How about you? How about you, JD? JD, where, what was your experience when this came out? Oh boy.
[8:25] Uh, did you grab it? Yeah. Um, I bought the 35th or the 30th it's yeah.
The 30th anniversary of road apples, a box set. And it came in that box set and it came with live camp.
It was a great box set because it came with a remastered road apples.
It came with Saskadelphia.
It came with Live at the Roxy and I want to say another record so it was chock full of cool cool shit for me it was just it was just a trip because it was like the last we heard of this band.
[9:03] Was Man-Machine-Poem and it's very different from Road Apples, very different from Road Apples.
And all of a sudden I was listening to brand new hip that was 35 years old, you know?
So it was like, it was really, it hurt my brain a little bit, my brain was doing spirals, you know? Like it was like, this doesn't make sense, this is new, but this is really old.
So I don't quite understand what this is all about, you know.
But very much enjoyed it. A little disappointed that the version of Montreal is a live version, but I like the live version. It's good, you know.
There's a reason. Yeah, there's a reason. And we'll get into that as we go.
Should we start with Ouch?
[9:54] Well, let's do a little more backstory. Yeah, go. Because in my experience of this EP, I went really quickly to YouTube and ended up watching some of the mini episodes that featureJohnny Faye in the Universal Warehouse finding the tapes.
That's crazy. And all that stuff.
And it was really interesting to go through those and hear him talk about Universal claiming the fire they had in the warehouse that was, I think he said they found out about it, the NewYork Times article.
Yeah. Yeah, that's all I remember.
And it listed all these bands whose tapes burned, and they were on the list. And so...
[10:42] Johnny, I think. I forget who else. Johnny and somebody else immediately, it sounds like, really quickly went down to hunt down the tapes and they didn't burn.
And he even had a comment, or most of them anyways, he even had a comment about how universal they thought.
Actually, this was Baker in a different interview, because I watched a bunch with him too.
Baker said that they thought that maybe the fire and the tapes were this multi-mega cash-in on getting assets destroyed that weren't really destroyed.
But ultimately, they've said that they found 45-ish of 60-ish tapes and there's still potentially more out there.
[11:29] So, there's some great interviews on this stuff. I probably watched, I don't know, six interviews. Oh, wow. Yeah.
Yeah, I was kind of laid up one day and just had some time to kill and watch them, watch them interview. So yeah, so it's, maybe there is more out there.
I mean, they pulled together, what is this, five songs?
Well, six with Montreal, but yeah. Six. Yeah, six. And, you know, if there's, if we get six more eventually, that would be awesome.
Yeah, because they are, I mean, there is talk of Phantom Power being reissued.
They announced that last year that Phantom Power would be reissued this year.
The 25th anniversary has passed, but I suspect it'll be a Christmas release, you know, but I don't know anything beyond that.
[12:16] No, the cover of Phantom Power was actually done by Rob Baker.
Really? That's a fact. Oh, wow. Rob Baker studied graphic design, I believe. Graphic design. Oh, yeah.
University of Queensland? Queens, Queens University, yeah. Queens. Yeah. near the Bronx.
Yeah, right now the Bronx just a hop, skipping the jump away. I'm skipping a jump.
I had not, I had not heard or watched and heard interviews with him really yet.
And man, I want to hang out with that guy. He is so. Baker? I don't know.
He had so many. He had, yeah, he had so many fun, not fun. It's somebody wise one-liners just in the course of conversation with interviewers.
Like he's just fucking Zen dude.
So chill. Sorry. Some of it was during COVID and he was talking about like during COVID, how his son moved back home and they were, they had set times during the week where theywere jamming together and ah, man, it just.
That's very cool. It's just a rad sounding dude. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, get in line, Tim, because.
[13:26] I'll be behind you. Yeah. Yeah. Rob Baker and I, we go back.
We're gonna, I'm in Kingston. We got a we got a couple of beer dates Talk gear.
I think it was I think it was ouch That Johnny Fay one of the YouTube video the one of these little mini episode things that Johnny Fay He's listening.
There's a video of him listening to ouch.
I believe it was out and And it gets to the end, and it stops.
And he's so elated and excited. And he said something like, it even has an end.
So stoked to find a complete song.
Before we jump into the record, did you guys see the, Tim, I didn't watch all the interviews, but what's his name?
Craig Rogers sent that email with the videos from the Cineplex event they did.
Right, yeah. They did an event at the bathhouse. I didn't see that.
Oh, dude, it's fucking cool.
I mean, the only videos that he could find were...
Or Bob Cajun, Escape is at Hand, Country Day and Coffee Girl, but they did this live event at the bathhouse.
[14:44] During Bob Cajun, Rob Baker's just playing guitar. I don't think anybody else is in the video if I remember correctly, and Gord Downie's just shooting pool and singing this songwhile he's shooting pool. It's the coolest fucking thing.
Oh my God, I got to see this. It's so cool, man.
It's one of the coolest fucking, he's just like, he's, and it's a weird, like, I mean, don't get me wrong.
I'm not, when, you know, when we go to the bath house and eventually record there one day, I'm not going to piss and moan to the guys about the pool table.
I hope it's a bar size table, but I noticed that the balls in Canada, they weren't like, you know, the color balls like we have in the U S or like red balls.
And then maybe a different color. Were they playing snooker maybe?
Maybe it was like a snooker table but yeah.
Yes they are. They are. They're playing snooker. I just pulled it up.
I did this. Sorry Craig. I didn't I didn't I didn't go through.
I saw it Craig. Thanks. I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to respond.
I've been busy working this week. Yeah I haven't.
[15:51] Sorry Craig. Very cool. Yeah. Got something new to check out.
That's great let's dive in ouch ouch ouch.
[19:12] Go ahead, Timmy. Take it. Well, this one kind of brought me back to Born in the Water.
And back then, when we were talking about Road Apples, if I recall correctly, I had some comments about it being bluesy, and George Thurgood, whatever.
I had some comments like, why are these guys? They're a rock and roll band, but they're in different buckets of genres within rock and roll.
And not many bands can do that and do it successfully.
A lot of them try, and I think don't do as good of a job.
And so listening to Ouch made me realize, it just brought me kind of full circle on The Hip's abilities and their skills and their talents and brought me to this kind of new level of fandomof thinking about that.
[20:18] And like I imagine I have some friends from back in the day who are big time music guys and I imagine that what they would would think about listening to different types of songsby The Hip and how some who are not Hip fans might think it's kooky or why they're doing this.
Or it's kind of out of a comfort zone.
But listening to Ouch and going back to Road Apples and Born in the Water and songs like that, like it just, it brought me kind of, It completed the circle of thinking.
[20:49] These guys are really talented they can do whatever they want to do they're they got the they got their driver's licenses they got the keys you know it's it's just like god what couldwhat can they not do at this point you know and the the song is we could talk about the song and all the aspects of it and gourd's growly singing and you know all the things but this onejust kind of it just kind of hit me full circle with the band and it made me think like at one point i was like thinking about you know in the u.s, raiders fans or fans of certain teams or youknow i bleed whatever i don't know it's all these stupid things of these allegiances to to cultural items and how, or genres or arts and how some people can be like, just so narrow within acategory of something that they really love and how, like, I don't know this.
If you opened up your mind a little bit and accept things a little more, why are you hiring now?
[22:04] Have more enjoyment. No, no, you can have more enjoyment.
No, seriously, I had a moment with this song. Wow. Really fucking solidified why I like The Hip and why I could argue to the end of all day is about how they're fucking better than youtwo.
How's that? Yeah. You know? Yeah. So there.
That's what happened to me with this song.
[22:29] That's far out. Probably led to so many video watchings because I was like, Like just give me more at a personal level of these guys.
It's 9.53 in the morning for fuck's sake. It's not even 10. Can I wait till 10 to get high? 20 somewhere, baby. That's right.
What about you, Pete?
[22:52] Um, I, I dug this song. The only thing I, you know, can kind of gather that, you know.
[23:00] I, I agree with Tim on, um, not that I disagree with him on what else he was saying.
But you know, just kind of one of the points that he made was that this kind of brought it full circle. Like, I think when we started out with road apples, Tim and I were both kind of like,where are we going with this?
And then even when we talked to Paul Ling Wah the other day, how he was, you know, we were talking about, you know, everybody has a different entry point to the hip, you know, westarted from the, from the very beginning.
You know so maybe that wasn't our destined entry point, but it was the entry point nonetheless.
And we kind of came back full circle because now we got this similar sound of what road apples was without and My only comments on the song itself, which I loved It just painted apicture And I'll read it to you It's 11 15 p.m, The bar is dirty and it's dingy the happy hour crowd has gone home drunk already The band's starting to get into its back catalog and angrytunes.
And the close the bar down crowd has just showed up, you know.
The guy with the pull cue in the fucking case, a couple of bar room hustlers, a couple of hot chicks that um...
[24:29] That frequent the bar. Everybody showed up. Barkeep's getting surly.
Barkeep is getting surly.
[24:39] Everything about this band, this song, gave me the vibe like they're just up on stage playing and they don't give a fuck.
They don't care. They've done it so many times, It's just, it's like muscle memory to them. And they're just, rock and roll is just fucking in their veins.
And it's on display for everybody who's probably taking it for granted at the bar.
It seems that way. Yeah. Yeah. Because Lord knows, I mean, I took Road Apples and that shit for granted.
Did you guys go back to it? Like, after listening to this record, did you go back to Road Apples?
To Road Apples, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like to try and see what like to me I did the same thing and it was like it was to try and see where these songs would have fit in because like asmuch as it's new material we all have to understand too it's material that they felt wasn't up to snuff to make the actual record, right?
Yeah, which is weird to me like but maybe it was just a time thing. Yeah, yeah.
Because I thought the majority of these songs on this record were great.
[25:51] Yeah.
Yeah, I tend to agree with you. I enjoy it. It's not long enough to be offensive.
Even if it was offensive, you know? You're in and you're out, and it's done.
Yeah. What it did for me, I mean, I went back to Road Apples, but I also, again, went.
[26:12] To video stuff like i hung out on youtube more with this one and pete it's funny you mentioned kind of a bar scene because the video for this song it's kind of all about a bar sceneit's it's a fun it's a really i didn't know there was the videos for a few yeah there's videos for a few of these yeah jay baruchel's in that video right ouch ouch is it yeah yeah ouch is a hootit's got like all these hidden nuggets through the video with references to other songs or albums.
Yeah I think there was like 20 of them. It's a really good video.
Yeah, yeah. It's a really, really good video. I watched it a couple times.
Super interesting. Yeah, a lot of fun. So check that out.
All right, let's move to Not Necessary. Not necessary.
[27:01] Um, again, this is just like, I thought this song would have fucking cooked live.
I mean, like, like most of the songs on this EP, just like pictured sweat just fucking pouring off of everybody's foreheads.
And just, yeah, it was just a good time record, man. A good time tune.
Chorus was super hooky, just like, had a great, like it did sound, the chorus sounded like it was, you know, crafted in that time.
Like if you saw a TNC Surf t-shirt, somebody was wearing it walking down the street, you'd know what like year that kind of came from. I don't know if anybody remembers TNC Surf.Do you remember that company? Well, yeah. Yeah.
Anyway, um, TNC Serpent Skate it was called. But yeah, it's just like, yeah, that would be, you'd know what era it was from. And definitely this song was a bit of just, they were justhaving such a fucking good time.
It was kind of a window into their youth.
Yeah, yeah, that's good call. Life on the road in the van, you can almost smell the inside of the van, stinky and, you know, sweaty and lived in.
Yeah. How about you, Tim?
[28:25] I agree with Pete on all that. I don't have much more on the song.
I dug the song. I really no qualms about it.
[28:37] This one I went faster to video. I hate to say that I just watched videos on all this shit, but I watched a lot of videos.
And this one's cool. It's like bank robbery gone wrong. It's got a total plot, to it that somehow ties into the song. I haven't seen the video for this one. It's a really...
Oh man, it's killer. Check that out.
It's got a cliffhanger at the end. It's a fun video and I just...
It really... I don't know, just after listening to so much music by these guys with cans and not having much visually other than some live stuff, like it was fun to find videos from this EP.
So, definitely watch Ouch and watch Not Necessary.
Great song. Right, we move next to the very solemn song about the École Polytechnique massacre that happened in the late 80s in Montreal, where a young man brutally murdered 14students and the Tragically Hip wrote a response to that it's very loosely based in that although it's bang on at the same time like there are lyrics in it that give you