You got a Bob Rock lock?
In this episode, jD, Pete, and Tim embark on a deep journey into the musical saga of the Tragically Hip by shining the spotlight on their 13th full-length album, Man Machine Poem. We uncover how the band unknowingly crafted their last album and created a memorable and satisfying conclusion with this profound piece.
Tracks
Man - Studio version
In a World Possessed by the Human Mind - Toronto 2016
Here in the Dark - Studio version
Ocean Next - Edmonton 2016
Transcript
Track 1:
[0:00] If you're a fan of the Tragically Hip, this is your hip fest.
Getting Hip to the Hip, September 1st at The Rec Room.
Celebrate the music of the hip with a live tribute act, the finale of a hip-based podcast, and a silent auction with amazing hip prizes, with all proceeds going to support the Gord Downie and Chaney Wenjack Fund.
If you're a fan of the hip, you need to be there. Tickets available now at GettingHipToTheHip.com.
Track 2:
[0:28] What was I listening to? That's the first thing that went through my mind when I experienced Man Machine Poem's first track, Man, for the first time.
Although my love affair with the hip was back in full gear, I don't remember really digging into this record when it dropped.
I was in and out of the hospital dealing with my mental health when I underwent ECT, electroconvulsive therapy.
You know when you get a full list of the worst things that can happen during a procedure because the doctors have to tell you, even though the odds of landing are miniscule?
[1:09] Well, the worst possible thing happened with me and ECT. I had full-on amnesia.
There are whole swaths of my memory that are gone, and I also have trouble making new memories.
So I think my first run at this album was lost in the Barrens.
Fast forward to the Fully and Completely podcast though, and I fell in love.
I fell in love with this the hip's 13th full length.
And when I say loved, it's tough for me to quantify how much I do love this album.
From the complicated man, through the gorgeous Insarnia, and the mysterious Ocean's Next, This is a damn near masterpiece.
[1:57] Sadly, none of the tracks on this album would get to live a life outside the final 2016 Man Machine Pong Tour.
I loved the performance of In a World Possessed by the Human Mind, but I honestly think it would have become a tour staple if the band had been able to endure Gord's cancerous lifesentence.
Although, during the recording of the formerly titled Dougie Stardust, the band couldn't have known that this would be their final kick of the can, but I can't imagine a more fitting albumto do the perfunctory honors.
Essentially, to sum it all up in one word, sigh.
[2:41] I'm so curious what our friends Pete and Tim will feel about all of this.
I guess we should kick into it.
Getting hip to the hip.
Track 5:
[3:19] Hey, it's JD here and welcome to getting hip to the hip. We are back as we are every week going through the catalog of Seminole Canadian rock band, the Tragically Hip.
I'm here as always with my friends, Pete and Tim, trying to ascertain exactly what they think of this band because they've never heard them before.
Please join me in welcoming my friends, Pete and Tim. Pete and Tim, welcome.
[3:48] Hi, JD. Hi, Tim. Hi, fellas. Thanks for the welcome. You're always so warm, JD. I want to make one quick correction in your intro there, JD, is that you said that we've never heardof them.
Now, we've been doing this podcast, what, 15, 14 weeks, something like that?
Fair enough. Fair enough. I've fucking heard of the charge of the hit.
So I just, I don't think it's fair. You know, we might want to prepare people for that, the finale, too. Hey, I know who they are. to charge it to him.
So I just, I don't think it's fair.
You know, we might want to prepare people for that, the finale too.
Hey, I know who they are. Okay, pre, you know, pre-pod recording for me, it was, it was like a bumper sticker.
So yeah, we've heard them now. Or that little stamp thing that you put on your suitcase. Not stamp, but stickers that you put on your suitcase.
Tags, yeah. It's the ones that say Fragile?
No, no. Fragile. Like you put, like every city you go to, You put it on your suitcase and then your suitcase has all these, uh, stickers.
All of that. Yeah. If you don't have, you don't, if you don't have the, uh, the Canada one on there, then your shit gets stolen.
Yeah. It's just fact definitely don't want an American flag on there. Right. No, that's true.
And, uh, you guys are, um, I mean, we're, we're what, uh, two weeks away.
You guys are ready to, have you started packing yet?
[5:08] I'm still doing laundry. Okay. I'm still doing laundry. Why did you pack the day before?
Yeah, I, oftentimes I pack the morning of, so. Yeah. I'm not that, yeah.
But we're looking forward to seeing you, of course.
Tickets are still available for the event, which is again, two weeks from now, September 1st, Friday night at the Rec Room in Toronto.
If you're a hip band, you gotta come to this thing. I mean, it's just that simple.
It's almost like hip-con, where we're all just gonna get together and enjoy our love for this band.
And if you're not there, then you're clearly not a hip band.
That's right. I mean, if you wanna be a hip completist and you've gotten this far with us, you gotta come to the fundraiser.
You gotta come to the show. Come on. It's like, if you don't, and you've gotten this far, and you can't make it, then, eh.
I don't know. Losing some cred.
[6:13] And we've got some more prizes are coming in, but we've got some awesome, awesome prizes for the silent auction. I don't know if they're, if they're called prizes or they'd be itemsfor auction.
We've got some pretty neat ones. We've got some ephemera from the Tragically Hip themselves autographed.
We've got some items from Dave Bustito.
We've got $200 in Air Canada gift cards. We've got a beautiful gift baskets.
We've got another gift card to Amazon.
We've got, um, Oh hell. I can't even, there's also a, uh, it's a, it's, it's in a frame. It's done really nicely, but there's a, there's a lock of Bob rocks hair.
[7:10] I Might I might try to win that and I'll weave it into my bang.
Oh god, wouldn't that be cool man? A lock of Bob rocks hair.
Oh Man, he's he's he's gonna send somebody out dude.
He's It's going to be a hit job, dude, no, he's going to send somebody out to fucking kill us.
Exactly. Yeah, it's cool.
Also it goes without saying, actually, no, it doesn't go without saying, it would be rude of me to mention the bonus feed at this point because the season's over.
You know, we're pretty much done. There's no more bonus episodes and this is not a seasonal podcast. We're not going to do these albums again.
But you can revisit it and go back and listen for years to come, right? That's true.
That's totally true. You can go back and listen to all those fun episodes that we did that were outside of the realm of the albums.
[8:03] So there's that. Is Bob Rock Canadian? Bob Rock is Canadian.
Yeah. And I mean, like, respectfully, like he is, like, like from like 87 to like 95, probably like the top producer on earth.
Dude, totally. He did the Black Album. He did the Black Album.
He did all the Sarah Smith work. He's not going to send out a hit team for us, Tim.
He's not going to send people to kill us, but he probably will send a strongly worded letter.
In Canadian, no.
A strongly worded letter. Anyway. Well, this record that we're talking about today, the 13th record, Man Machine Poem, was not produced by Bob Rock.
It was produced by, oh my gosh, my notes are not in front of me now.
It was produced by Kevin Drew, Jesus Christ, Jamie. You should have known that.
And Dave Hamlin, Dave Hamlin. Broken social scene and Dave Hamlin.
Yeah. Who also produced the first posthumous Gord record. So, clearly.
[9:05] Gord living in Toronto at this time was, you know, part of this sort of cabal of artists in, in the city.
And he had been working with them, you know, a lot. And we're seeing the fruits of that now.
I don't know if you guys have listened to the, the Bob rock Gord Downey convergence, but we haven't talked about that at all on the show. Okay. Well, maybe we'll make that homeworkfor next week's episode.
[9:35] Um, just give it a cursory listen. Yeah. There's some of the best gourd vocals I've ever heard on it, but it's not my favorite gourd record overall, I would say.
And it's also produced by our friend, Bob Rock, which is funny.
Yeah. When in doubt, right?
It's like a little glass case through the hammer. You know, I might, the dog might eat my homework on that one.
If my flight is delayed going into Toronto, you know who I'm blaming.
Oh, wow. Yeah. When you fly that old Norm Macdonald bit, you guessed it, Frank Stallone, you know?
Or instead of Frank Stallone, you guessed it, your flight's delayed?
Your house got struck by lightning? Whose fault is it? You guessed it.
Probably there isn't some Metallica fan in the control tower that Bob has access to. Yeah, that's true.
Well, that's a, I mean, that's a well-produced record, there's nothing wrong with it.
I think it, I think those songs still, you know, you can still listen to them and you know that it's from 1991, but it's, um, it still works.
Like it's not like, whoa, this is, this is way off, you know, where there's some stuff that you hear and you're like, like the EP, for example, you know, uh, the, the tragically hip EP.
[10:57] It, you know, it sounds like 1987, but now it sounds like, like 1987 plus 35 years, you know? Right. If that makes any sense.
I don't know. I'm rambling a bit here. But what do you say we get into your thoughts on the record and your first experiences with the record and how you listened to the record, as we doin each and every episode?
I mean, maybe we just talk about the album conceptually, because really, it first listened, And for me, it was feeling different.
It was feeling, I don't know. It was dreamy and fuzzy. And it feels like some memories.
I don't know. At one point, I was like, this would be good to listen to on a road trip at night.
Like, it just, this one had kind of this sad but futuristic, It was kind of all over the place, it wasn't exactly...
[12:09] A mood booster or like, yes, this is this is that next step album, you know, the phone was different.
And, you know, I understand that it was released before Gord's cancer announcement.
But it was also, you know, like it made me wonder about his wife's whole process with cancer and all of that, too. But it just it was kind of ominous in that whole regard of what was goingon and Gord's life, perhaps.
And I read some quote from him around this time era, maybe during the recording time era.
He said something about not wanting to sing any lyrics anymore that he doesn't write.
If the band was pitching in on lyrics, I feel like he was feeling the weight of the world coming down upon him, even perhaps without even knowing his diagnosis.
I guess he had a couple of strokes during that time, but anyways... Seizures.
Or seizures, yes. Yeah, seizures. Thank you.
[13:15] But anyways, it's a trippy album. It kind of hit me in different ways. And I listened to it.
I was traveling the past couple of weeks and kind of listened to it here and there.
At one point, we were packing up to head to the next town, and we were in Italy.
And I said to my wife, I said, you know, I'll play this recent hit album we're working on, because I think it suits the morning. It's kind of rainy.
We're packing up. We're getting ready, just kind of methodically going through the motions, and played it. And her vibe from it really wasn't so sure.
She just didn't really know how to pick up from this one.
She hasn't really listened to a whole album yet, but we played the whole album, and about halfway through it, I was like, huh, should I put something else on?
This is fitting the mood. What is the mood?
[14:15] Right. Yeah. Well, it was, it was a very strange mood here in Canada because I'm, I'm not sure how you worded it a moment ago, but we did know that he had cancer when therecord came out, so the record was supposed to come out and then they delayed it when he had his second seizure, they delayed it to June and it came out in June, but, but they announcedon the May long weekend, so just one month before, they had announced that he had inoperable, well, not inoperable, because he had already had half his brain removed.
He had many operations, but he had the type of cancer that he had and his sort of status, right?
[15:02] And it was like, holy, it was grim. It was fucking grim.
And then you get this record and you put it on and there's like, there's stuff on here that is like, when they wrote the record, he didn't have cancer, but man, some of the lyrics.
Seem foreboding well here's the thing with the big c is.
[15:27] A lot of people talk about cancer when they get diagnosed as that's when i found out i had cancer and i think just based on experiences i've had with people around me and familyetc.
That it grows in the body for as long as it grows until it's making its debut.
You know, like he had a very special brain and a very creative guy and just obviously all the things about Gord's writing abilities.
And you know, this might have been something that was growing in there for a long time.
I think it was probably there during the whole album producing and making and affecting likely how his brain worked.
A friend of ours mother had brain cancer and she was not normal for like three, four years and no one like, why is she, why is she, why is she slowly becoming so mean, you know?
And it turns out she had brain cancer and it was like the size of a grapefruit before they figured it out. So it was probably there.
And it was probably making it it's effect on his creative outlet, his creative abilities. What do you think Pete?
Wow, a lot to unpack there. Heavy stuff, yeah. Yeah, we jumped right into it.
[16:40] Well, I mean, yeah, all I will say in terms of the lyrics, yeah, it is a bit foreboding.
[16:49] I can't really, I think, I can't remember what song it was that made me think, did he know that he got, that he had cancer up until this point.
I think it was track four in Sarnia and yeah, made me definitely think what was going on during this, but yeah, it's a unique album. I mean, it's certainly.
[17:18] Different. I mean, I'll comment more on on the songs, you know, why I think that way it is, you know, but overall, I very much enjoyed it.
Listened to it in the car, wasn't doing it at the desk, listened to it on traveling on a plane, lots of different places, lots of different ways to experience this record. I feel like it's somethingthat I would put on in the winter.
That's kind of how it felt to me. There's a few songs maybe that were not so much in this kind of mode for me but you know all in all just kind of on the stats side on the stat side of thingsit's got a 3.5 which i wasn't surprised to see on all music um it's short it's again another 40-ish minute album right lots of songs around the four minute mark like it's i felt like uh i don'tknow It did win a Juno Award for Rock Album of the Year in 17, which is amazing.
That shows that a band can really evolve and change and have ups and downs.
And still grab one of those awards is fucking killer. Yeah.
[18:30] Most of this album didn't get much live play time.
No, they only did the one tour, which was like 14 gigs, right?
Yeah. We didn't get to see it and I mean, we're fucking incredibly lucky that we got that tour.
Like when, when I show you guys the document, when I show you guys the documentary, long time running, it's called bring some tissues.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be, it's going to be, I'm sure.
Yeah. Yeah. Tariq Tariq.
And unfortunately for me, I missed most of this because I was very sick at the of time and I just have no memory. So, there's that.
What do you say we get into track by track? Let's do it.
Let's do it. Track number one. Man. Man. Man what, dude? What did I say?
[19:29] Man, what a track. But you said it like, man. I was like, man.
Second longest track on the album, you know? Yeah.
It's definitely got this, I mean, this is where I personally was like, okay, here's the somber Start it's got but it well.
No, I think backtrack that that digitized Chorus, whatever it is the very beginning You know of this is like an interrupter, you know, that's like whoa, where are we going with this album?
But yeah, it kind of felt like The song felt like a prayer or a mantra, you know, just kind of like It was heavy, kind of coming in and out.
The chorus was just the song, it felt like.
It felt like it could be an outro, and it was the first.
It was the first. So... That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah.
I feel like the way it starts off is, I think, really cool and unique and certainly different from the hip.
I love Gord's vocals on this. I think, and I'll say it a lot throughout the pod, but I think the percussion and the arrangements on this entire record is awesome.
The way everything's layered beautifully.
The piano hits when the song really opens up. It does have some hardcore Radiohead vibes. I think this first track.
Very much. Wow. Okay. I could see that. Yeah. I like that.
I like that. Yeah. Definitely like Kid A and Rainbows, I would say.
Radiohead. Not OK Computer Radiohead.
Right. Anyway, yeah, really cool opening track, that's for sure.
In a world possessed by the human mind.
[25:18] This was the first single from the record and a great single.
I mean, you know, it doesn't necessarily tell the tale of the record, of what you're going to get when you get this record.
[25:34] You know, the record is obviously much more low key, but I think it's a banger.
I love this song And I came to it late.
That's crazy. I mean, I like the song. It's funny that it's single and I think it's got the most listens on Spotify.
I mean, I like it. I think probably the most unique thing about it to me is like, I know we make a lot of Bob Rock jokes on this podcast, and I really do like Bob Rock. I joke a lot.
But I feel like Bob Rock isn't even in the rear view mirror anymore with this record.
It's something that I don't think many producers would have had worked on or signed off on or been a part of.
It's really different. It's really different.
But I like this track. I don't think it's the best track on the record.
And I wouldn't even call it a banger. I like this track, but I wouldn't have chosen it as a single. Wow.
Just give me the news, Tim.
Well, this was like one of three that they played live on that last tour, I believe.
[26:53] And the sound was a little more, I don't know, it was refined in some different way on this one.
It almost sounded like the drums, some of the drums or recorded in a hard-walled room or something.
This one had, again, this album has a different feel to it, and this one kind of was like, brought us out of the clouds of that first song.
It felt like maybe, I didn't, in general, on this album, I didn't conceptually get into lyrics whole lot but this one made me think like.
[27:31] This sounds like it's based on hospital experiences or maybe Gord's wife's cancer, or there's some kind of personal struggle in here with the lyrics in the, I felt like the ending waskind of a cliffhanger, like the verse just kind of drops and there's no, yeah. And then there's no stanza.
[27:56] Like there's, it just, it just stops right there. You know, like Like, what was the look on her face?
I want to know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And you know, it also conversely, like many of the hip songs and Gord's lyrics, it made me just, while I was driving, it made me think about social media and how everybody's on theirphones and staring at their phones and always looking down and, you know, I kind of, uh, I have this constant commentary on, in my mind about how, like people are going to slowly turnback into tumbleweeds because we're all looking down so often, we're just going to roll away.
And this, you know, this, this, this song kind of, I don't know, it was just, it has good pickup for song number two, but it also is kind of carrying the same ominous feel, you know?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I, I had a good thought for you and now it's gone and that's a shame.
That's a crying goddamn shame.
[29:07] Trying to see if I can will it back. Not coming back. I'm vamping.
Now I'm speaking out loud about vamping, which has given away the gig, which means I should probably just switch subjects and go to What Blue? What Blue.
[29:30] I dug this song a lot. I thought lyrically it was very cool.
There's some really unique background guitar licks in here. Again, this is another one that that the arrangements and the way everything's placed is just rad.
I love it. I got a really, especially with the spacey solo, I got a really pavementy vibe from it.
Wow. The lyric, I love you so much, it distorts my life. Like, oof. Yeah. Oof. Yeah. Yeah. I dug this track.
[30:15] It's sweet. It sounds like it's maybe, I don't know, part of it feels like it's a weird one. Like it felt, you know, some of the guitar sounds, Pete, that you mentioned, felt kind of cave-like.
Like there's some resonance or something going on in this album that's a little bit different that perhaps Kevin Drew or Dave Hamlin brought in.
You know, that's pretty cool. The song's under three minutes.
You know, it doesn't feel that way, though.
It's one of those songs that's quick and heavy and big.
But at the same time, even though we're having kind of like these, I was having kind of these dark ominous, like, whoa, what's going on?
Whatever. This song felt kind of lullaby.
And there's a few songs on here that feel kind of lullaby and sweet and loving.
And they might sound dark, but I don't think that was really, like the intentions or maybe which is it's classic hip, you know, with lyrics and meanings that the intentions or whatever kindof all over the place can be looked at different ways.
But yeah, this one, uh, it was a quick, sweet one. I agree. Any other thoughts on what blew?
[31:38] No, okay. So I, I remembered what I was going to say in a world possessed by the human mind, the line that he talks about, like looking down at your phones, every time I hear it, Ijust crumble because I would love, like, that's a reference To a time in 2016, that isn't ahead of its time by any stretch, but it's a timestamp on the song, you know what I mean?
There's there, it makes it in real time. It makes it in this universe to speak on the multiverse level. It makes it happening now.
And that's the end. That's the last one we get.
That's the last timestamp we get. We don't get to hear any more, um, you know, his views on like, what would he have thought of Donald Trump's reign?
You know, I would love to know he wouldn't be super political about it, but there would be flourishes in his art. I'm sure.
[32:47] You know, I don't know. I would hope he would have been super political about it, you know, because Because not in general I feel like there isn't enough and with the the stage thatthey held in the audience that they had Whether or not they were Mostly Canadian.
I mean he he he had a voice to be able to do whatever the fuck you want So oh absolutely, I think they would know you're on bananas if they were to kept playing I think they would havegone bananas politically.
I would have expected it from them Yeah, which is also fucking fucking tiresome.
You know, I can't tell you. I mean, it just was two weeks in Europe and I can't tell you how many conversations came up.
Yeah, no, well, no, yes and no. I mean, so many conversations about like, we heard about the shooting yesterday, the massacre yesterday, this yesterday, that yesterday.
It's like, fuck. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Oh God. I don't know what he would about all this. Yeah, exactly. But I'd love to know because he had an interesting filter.
He had an interesting prism, right? Like he would take in the information and then it would come out in all all the colors of the rainbow on the other side, and it was beautiful. Speakingof, beautiful.
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