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John Sarmiento is a Usability expert and is a delight to interview, and work along side at Bottle Rocket Studios.

In design - Usability is paramount for a successful product. This week John and I discuss all things Usability. From empathy and public health, to testing labs and field studies.

And, oh yeah, maybe a board game.

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You can find John Sarmiento on linkedin.

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