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Dr. Bob calls up AIDS researcher Carlos del Rio and longtime AIDS activist Gregg Gonsalves to explore what the HIV/AIDS epidemic of the ‘80s and ‘90s can teach us about COVID-19 today. They discuss the politicization of both viruses, how the role of activism compares, and how the 30-plus-year quest for an HIV vaccine helped advance the COVID-19 vaccines. Plus, what HIV/AIDS can show us about what it means to return to “normal.”   Follow Dr. Bob on Twitter @Bob_Wachter and check out In the Bubble’s new Twitter account @inthebubblepod.   Find Gregg Gonsalves @gregggonsalves and Carlos Del Rio @CarlosdelRio7 on Twitter.   Keep up with Andy in D.C. on Twitter @ASlavitt and Instagram @andyslavitt.    In the Bubble is supported in part by listeners like you. Become a member, get exclusive bonus content, ask Andy questions, and get discounted merch at https://www.lemonadamedia.com/inthebubble/    Support the show by checking out our sponsors!   Click this link for a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this show and all Lemonada shows: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NEJFhcReE4ejw2Kw7ba8DVJ1xQLogPwA/view    Check out these resources from today’s episode:    Watch Dr. Fauci’s full 1984 lecture on research, findings, and questions related to AIDS: https://youtu.be/pzK3dg59TuY  Learn more about pioneering AIDS activist Larry Kramer, who died last year: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/us/larry-kramer-dead.html  Listen to President Reagan’s Press Secretary, Larry Speakes, laughing about AIDS in the 1980s: https://youtu.be/yAzDn7tE1lU  Don’t miss this In the Bubble episode with HIV prevention researcher Julia Marcus: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/is-it-ok-to-hug-your-family-after-vaccine-julia-marcus/id1504128553?i=1000507543756  Check out former Surgeon General David Satcher’s 2005 paper about about health disparities between Black and white Americans: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7976375_What_If_We_Were_Equal_A_Comparison_of_the_Black-White_Mortality_Gap_in_1960_and_2000  Read more about Dr. Fauci’s plenary lecture on the HIV and COVID-19 pandemics at the CROI 2021 conference: https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/research-highlights-croi-2021  Read the New York Times article, ‘America’s Hidden H.I.V. Epidemic,’ that Gregg mentions in today’s episode: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/06/magazine/americas-hidden-hiv-epidemic.html  Watch an entire performance of Jean Sibelius’s Finlandia here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktopav=fE0RbPsC9uE Learn more about Dr. Bob Wachter and the UCSF Department of Medicine here: https://medicine.ucsf.edu/    To follow along with a transcript and/or take notes for friends and family, go to www.lemonadamedia.com/show/in-the-bubble shortly after the air date.   Stay up to date with us on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram at @LemonadaMedia. For additional resources, information, and a transcript of the episode, visit lemonadamedia.com. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.