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In today's episode, Gigi interviews her friend and coworker Pamela McCleod. They delve into her life experiences with obtaining degrees in geography and experiencing roadblocks with getting into the planning field. Then they switch gears and speak about Pamela's new endeavor with starting a planning and development firm with her husband called McCleod Planning and Development Professionals.  

To connect with Pamela, you can follow her at @pam2mac on Instagram and you can follow her firm at @mpdp_llc on Instagram as well. Her firm's website is mpdprofessionals.com. 

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