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This talk was given by Gil Fronsdal on 2021-06-24 at the Insight Meditation Center in Redwood City, CA. ****** Would you rather watch? A video of this talk is available at https://youtu.be/yaFN4cGECqs?t=1927. ****** For more talks like this, visit AudioDharma.org ****** If you have enjoyed this talk, please consider supporting Audio Dharma with a donation at https://www.audiodharma.org/donate/. ****** This talk is licensed by a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 4.0 License