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This talk was given by Gil Fronsdal on 2021.06.24 at the Insight Meditation Center in Redwood City, CA. ******* Would you rather watch than listen? A video of this talk is available at https://youtu.be/yaFN4cGECqs?t=1927. ******* For more talks like this, visit AudioDharma.org ******* If you have enjoyed this talk, please consider supporting AudioDharma with a donation at https://www.audiodharma.org/donate/. ******* This talk is licensed by a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 4.0 License