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Our guest today is Joe Weiss. He’s the managing partner of Applied Control Solutions, a firm that provides consulting services to optimize and secure industrial control systems. He’s been in the industry for over 40 years and has earned a reputation as an outspoken and sometimes contrarian advocate for improved ICS security. He’s been a featured speaker at dozens of conferences, has written countless book and articles, and has testified before Congress multiple times. Our conversation centers on what he sees as critical shortcomings in the current approach to securing critical infrastructure, including the electrical grid, manufacturing, railways, and water supplies. Are IT and OT professionals simply talking past each other, or is there more to it than that? Joe Weiss has strong opinions on that and many other topics, opinions formed from a long, fruitful career fighting to keep those systems safe.