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Podcasting "live" from the aftermath at the ThingsCon Salon in Amsterdam, Joe and Guus welcome Marcel Schouwenaar, one of the partners at The Incredible Machine. The trio discuss IoT ethics, persuasive design, utopian to dystopian futures, and the IoT community in Netherlands. They also look into autonomy in the connected world and how connected data is being used to make a better future. https://www.the-incredible-machine.com/ --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/letsfixthings/message