# 14 — Matthew Weatherly-White
In the longest conversation they have recorded so far Michael and Mark sit down with Matthew Weatherly-White to discuss recovery, athletic longevity, endurance, desiccants, exercising for an audience, intelligent self-awareness, transubstantiation, personal reinvention, the evolution of capitalism, impact investing, the discipline to do less than you think you have to, and they make an attempt to apply behavioral economics to fitness.
