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This week on Leverage Radio Ashwin Hoon speaks to his coach and Blackbelt Mike Murrell. A long overdue episode, where we get some insights into the minds of two highly sophisticated grapplers. They breakdown the Danaher Death squad, the evolution of Jiu-jitsu, the merging of the new school and old school, discussions around chess, playing music and how it relates to your Jiu-jitsu. Having all the accomplishments he does, Mike is incredibly humble, insightful and honest with regard to what the right mindset is on your path to a blackbelt.We speak about Mike's time during the pandemic, all the conspiracy stories and possible theories, how it's affected his training, how people were getting by and just the sheer chaos surrounding this phenomenon. Super easy listening, jokes and knowledge bombs aplenty. Always a pleasure listening to him, can't wait to have him here.